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Travel Hacking Your Way to Therapist Wellness: A Conversation with Allison Rimland

• Maria Laquerre-Diego, LMFT-S, RPT-S & Liliana Baylon, LMFT-S, RPT-S • Season 2

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We explore how pursuing personal passions, such as travel, can serve as a powerful burnout prevention strategy for therapists, with special guest Allison Rimland sharing her journey after losing her father and discovering the world of travel hacking.

  • Allison shares how her father's sudden death prompted her to reconsider priorities and follow her parents' example of making travel a life priority. 
  • Introduction to travel hacking through home exchanges and credit card points as affordable ways to explore the world
  • Discussion of the unique burnout challenges faced by supervisors who carry both their clients' stories and those of their supervisees
  • Exploration of the question "If you could do anything with your time right now, what is lighting you up inside?"
  • How practicing what we preach about boundaries and self-care looks different for each person
  • The importance of challenging the "work now, live later" mentality that leads to burnout
  • Practical ways group practice owners can model healthy work-life integration
  • Why telehealth and flexibility create opportunities for "slow travel" and more profound experiences
  • How listening to what naturally energizes you can guide career pivots and burnout prevention

Consider what you're already researching, talking about, and drawn to in your free time; this inner wisdom might be pointing toward what will truly energize and sustain you in your practice.

https://travelhackingtherapist.com/

A Hero's Welcome Podcast © Maria Laquerre-Diego & Liliana Baylon

Maria:

Welcome back, listeners, to another episode. I am your co-host, Maria Diego, and I'm joined by my bestie, that's me I think Right, allison, it's me.

Liliana:

That's me, liliana Baylon, and we're here with a special guest. We're here with Allison. Allison, how would you like to present to our listeners?

Allison:

Well, hello, thank you for having me. So my name is Allison Rimland and I'm I own a group practice here in the Denver area. We specialize in relationship therapy and I have a wonderful, wonderful team of grad students all the way up to very seasoned clinicians. So it's a fantastic group of people and I'm just so honored to get to work with them every day. I'm also a licensed professional counselor and a certified emotionally focused therapy supervisor, so I enjoy doing yeah, I do supervision outside my practice as well as in my practice. I feel like I wear an unlimited number of hats pretty much every day. I'm business owner, I'm mom, I'm wife, I'm friend, I'm a daughter, I'm supervisor, I'm accountant all of those hats all the time.

Maria:

That's a lot of decision making hats. That's a lot of decision making hats. Yes.

Liliana:

Yeah, so before we introduce the topic, I was just laughing because I was thinking for all of you therapists who are listening, coming in and you're like, I want to be a therapist. Allison is talking about all the roles that you end up doing without getting proper training for it.

Allison:

Yes, right, we all know very well how ill-equipped we are out of most graduate programs for the business side of running a therapy practice. And then if you take on the additional responsibility of a group practice and you know all these people that are on my team, their, their graduate degrees and their livelihoods are on my shoulders to take care of. So, um yeah, it's a huge responsibility.

Maria:

I love that. I love that, and it kind of leads into what we're hoping to chat about today, right, yes, yeah.

Allison:

Yeah, so my inspiration for today actually came about in in in sharing my exciting news with Liliana the other day, and basically I was just reflecting on how, especially as a supervisor, when you're supporting clinicians how it's almost double or more the load of working with clients right, because I continue to have my own clients and, of course, I carry them in my heart and think about them, but then all of the people that I'm supervising have clients and I'm impacted by those stories. Right, it's like tertiary trauma, sometimes with really, really heavy stuff. And then, because we're all human beings, as therapists, we all have our own stuff too our own life difficulties. Stuff, too, our own life difficulties. So, really, my exciting new development came out of my own experience.

Allison:

So Liliana and I might get a little emotional talking about this, but Liliana was one of the people who came in and stood by my side in 2022 when I lost my dad, and you know I needed to take time off because he got sick and he died very, very suddenly.

Allison:

It was five weeks from when he got sick to when he died, so it was incredibly fast and traumatic in and of itself, and I needed this circle to wrap around me and support me and my supervisees, because we still had to keep the lights on, we still had to have sessions happening, we still had to have clients being supported in their life difficulties, and so Liliana was one of the people that generously stepped in and found extra time in her schedule to see some of my supervisees who needed to be seen during that time. So thank you again, liliana. But my parents, I think, gave me a huge gift, which is they prioritized throughout their almost 60 year marriage um traveling together and making the time to create special memories. So my father died in um the end of September 2022, and they were in Normandy in August.

Allison:

He was so sick Right, um, and so he got to go on this bucket list trip that was really personally meaningful to him as a veteran to go and, um, you know they all those years had had quite good health. Um, of course they had their ups and downs and seasons where things weren't so great, but, um, I think they just really instilled in me this value of you know you only have one life and you don't know when you're not going to be able to take advantage of it. So people who you know work and work and work and work and work for decades on end and are kind of imagining this time, when I retire, you might not get that, you might not get that in good health. And some travel is, you know, physical takes a lot out of us.

Allison:

So, yeah, I think it all has just kind of come full circle with feeling inspired to do right by my mom and dad and to really take advantage of this one precious life I've been given and see what I can make of it, and along the way I learned about travel hacking.

Maria:

Travel hacking. Travel hacking.

Liliana:

So can you tell us what travel hacking is so?

Allison:

travel. Hacking can be a variety of things, but it's basically taking the concept of traveling and thinking about creative ways that you can travel affordably and that fits into your season of life or your lifestyle, but taking advantage of some of the methods out there that enable people to travel more affordably. So the two that I use are home exchanging. So I own a home in the mountains it's a second home with my husband and we have that home listed on home exchange. So we have done 30 plus home exchanges in different parts of the world and so essentially we stay for free.

Maria:

Is this like I'm picturing the movie the Holiday? Is this like where you just swap houses? Exactly, exactly, yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah. You can't see my face, but you can hear it in my voice. I am sure that is amazing.

Allison:

Yes, yes. So just today just today actually I got two home exchange requests from other members on the platform that we are part of, which is homeexchangecom. One is a family in Hawaii that wants to exchange with us, and another is a family that has a house in Turks and Caicos.

Maria:

What? Yes, please, oh my gosh. So in this exchange, you're not having to pay for lodging, which can be a very expensive part of traveling.

Allison:

Exactly.

Maria:

Exactly Okay, all right, so we've got home exchange.

Allison:

I've got home exchange. And then the second big one that I've been learning about is the world of credit card points. World of credit card points. Okay, so my dear husband, who is quite the trooper, and I have um he sometimes reluctantly embarked on this world of credit card points and miles, and we now, between the two of us, since, I would say last February, I think, with our very first card, we've opened up about 10 cards in total. Okay, we're spending just as responsibly as we normally would, and we have now booked two upcoming international trips using points for our flights. So these are business class flights. So lie flat, sleep across the Atlantic, and we'll be going to Portugal this fall and Greece next spring.

Maria:

But you are also speaking to two people who do enjoy traveling right so if you don't enjoy traveling, this may not be for you.

Maria:

What I'm also hearing is it's in line with a conversation I was having with someone the other day about you know, I had the privilege of growing up. My formative years were actually in Germany. My dad was civil service for the military and we were talking. I was talking recently with a friend about how lifestyles are just so different outside of our country. Yes, and one of the biggest differences is that outside of our country, people work as they live their life.

Allison:

Yes.

Maria:

Whereas we work for this idea of a time where we get to live our life after work.

Allison:

Yeah.

Maria:

Right and what you're what you're talking about here is enjoying the time as we have it, taken advantage and, and living life while working, and you're finding hacks to do it in a way that's affordable for you and you're getting to see the world, and for me, traveling and seeing the world and having these- experiences I wanted to share today, which is recently I've just been feeling as I anticipate empty nesting starting mid-August off at college.

Allison:

You know it's going to be way too quiet around here. There's going to be a lot less going on, and I don't do so well with that.

Allison:

So I'm already in preparation mode. And so for the second I feel like pivotal time in my life, I found myself asking this key question of myself, which is if you could do anything with your time right now. What is it that is lighting you up inside? What's making you super excited that you don't even have to think about investing in your time and energy and brain space Because it's already happening anyway? The first time was when I did a total career change from the technology world and got laid off from that world Like everybody else, when thecom bubble burst in the early two thousands and I became a therapist. Because I asked myself the question what do you like doing that you're already doing anyway? And I was like I have to talk to people about their relationships. I think I need to be a couples counselor, voila. And this time too, I'm like what am I doing already Some might say a tad obsessively is thinking about looking forward to researching and planning travel.

Liliana:

Yeah, and travel hacking. I love it. I love it Right. First, of all. Can we acknowledge, all of us as a whole, that we are becoming a global entity? Yes, and therefore traveling is just becoming a part of we. Have a new generation that cannot stop talking about traveling, and we need it, especially here in the US. We actually need to step outside.

Maria:

There's a world outside the US there is and it's gorgeous, and we have so much to learn from those experiences, right? One of my favorite things about traveling and being in other spaces is learning how they do things, how they live life, how their systems are working, and then taking it back home and fighting the culture that we find in our society, which is this you work until you retire and then, if you're lucky, you get a retirement period where you get to live your life. That is absolute garbage garbage. We need to be able and we have longevity when we are living life and working to support the life we are living and not the other way around.

Liliana:

Yeah.

Allison:

Yeah, so I I feel like if I can help other people, if I can like capitalize on my own excitement about traveling the world, about meeting people from different cultures, about doing so in kind of luxury, affordably, if I can teach other people to do that, and it's lighting me up inside, I'm like. I'm like checking all kinds of boxes.

Liliana:

Yeah, and I think our field needs it right. They need your voice and they need to hear this, because one there's so many discussions of, first of all within the US, like how do we travel and work? Yes, and we can do that as therapists, we can totally do that. And then, but even like when you're talking about and I love, because I put energizing what energizes me it's really important for us therapists to pause and ask that question either because we need to change the niche that we're working either because we have to change careers right?

Liliana:

change careers right, or because we're going through a different milestone? When you share with me about your emptiness and I was like girl, first of all let me tell you they start calling you every day and you're like why are you calling me? My relationship with you was until 18. Stop it.

Maria:

She doesn't mean it. Listeners who don't know her. We know we know, but, you know, I think it is important that we're focusing on what lights us up and we're inviting clinicians to pause and ask am I doing things that light me up? If not, I need to find them yeah, and then two, let's think big.

Maria:

Why not? If you want to travel globally, why not find someone like yourself, allison, who can help them learn how to make that a reality? Yes, it is a reality, and I think there's a lot of messages out there that you know that's a luxury and that's a privilege and that's a thing. And, yes, we understand traveling is expensive. It's not always easy, and what you're sharing is there are ways to do it affordably.

Liliana:

That's right, Possibly right, Like there are systems in place in order for us to do so. You're just naming. You know a couple of for us today, but I'm like how many of you who are listening out there you're like wait a minute? I should call Allison and like pick her brain more in regards to this.

Maria:

I mean spending a week in the Turks area doing telehealth for work sounds ideal.

Allison:

Yes, blah, but I think burnout prevention is also equal parts finding what's lighting you up and following that, riding that wave and really listening to yourself and giving yourself permission to try new things, to not be defined by one box, only permanently. You know I'm a, this, I'm a that you know, allowing yourself that creativity and latitude to pivot and take on a new thing, like I just decided I'm going to. I'm going to start this travel coaching business geared towards therapists, because we all deserve a break.

Maria:

They do deserve luxury and pampering. And if you've listened to us talk about self-care, liliana and I have a big mountain. We stand on around self-care. It isn't just stop doing these things right, and it's not just rest, which is absolutely important, but it's how are you filling up your cup? Because burnout happens for many different reasons, but one of them is our cup is empty and we're not actively filling up our cup and taking care of ourselves. That leads to burnout, in addition to the systems that we work in and all of those things that leads to burnout, in addition to the systems that we work in and all of those things. But I think that that's an important message that you're sharing today is like what lights you up and following that is actually that self-care, that burnout prevention.

Liliana:

And the question, because I wish that every listener will be able to see Allison's face. But when she says, what can you, if you can do anything right, like that idea of like, can you be curious about you? You went to this career right Like to fulfill this need that you had, that you wanted to do that, you wanted to pay it forward, and then at some point, it is really helpful to pause and then ask the question all over again. I love the message of your parents and I love the way that you are honoring your dad in regards to you only have one life, yeah yeah, I can imagine allison because you shared your.

Maria:

You own a group practice. I also own a group practice and I can just imagine the impact you're having on your team by doing this for yourself and setting this as an example, making this a reality and a possibility for them. I mean, you've got to, I've got to imagine your team is benefiting from this as well.

Allison:

Yeah, yeah, I think. So, I think, and it's such an essential part of supervision too, because I say all the time to my supervisees this is a marathon, not a sprint.

Maria:

Yeah, oh, amen.

Allison:

Go right. The goal is to not like burn you out and grind you into the ground. It's about creating a life that feels abundant, where there's spaciousness, where you can be creative about what lights you up and what interests you, or even structurally creative. We're constantly tinkering with our team schedules and we're really closely monitoring things like how are you doing holding boundaries with your clients around your schedule so that it's not burning you out right? So that you are getting paid for the time that you make yourself available to your clients, so that you're not saying yes to that last appointment at the end of the day and like putting in a ridiculously long day that no human should have to endure. I mean, all those things are really important messages. Yeah, I'm really excited about one of my upcoming home exchanges. It's a first time for us and it's only only possible thanks to empty nest hood, or free birding, as my girlfriend called it.

Allison:

We are doing a month long exchange. In April. We are going to Palm Springs. We're staying in this very groovy mid-century modern place with a pool, and we're going to get to explore all the parks around there. You know, joshua tree's not too far, zion's on the way, um, and then it's also um a concert there, so we might, you know, get a big concert season. We might be the oldest people there, but whatever that doesn't matter.

Liliana:

When you're in the zone, you don't care about around you. You care about, like, what's happening for you. So that's right to you, that's right.

Maria:

I love this and I think I think this is important for for everybody clinicians, but I think there's a special message here for supervisors and those that hold responsibility of others group practice owners because we do we hold so so much that it can be easy to stay in the cyclone of work and responsibility and all of that. So I think it's really I think it's really important for everyone to hear this, but I think there's a special spot in even in your message about people who are taking care of other people, who are taking care of other people who are taking care of other people right, that ripple effect, um, and the importance of taking care of the human living the life.

Liliana:

Yeah, yeah, and also naming right that this is not the experience of every therapist working in an agency.

Allison:

So yeah, I'm gonna name that.

Liliana:

So you are the exception to the rule. Let's also name that. But the idea that you're inviting therapists to be curious, to ask these questions in regards to if you can do anything or what energizes you, even the introduction of we only have one life, we know it, we disregard it quite often unless we have an experience that shapes us and we're like, yeah, we can do this right. I love when you said, like we can be replaced. You just shared, like when you pivot careers, like we can be replaced. The things that we cannot replace is how we view life, how we enjoy life and who we do it with.

Allison:

Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely yeah, which I'm so excited to be able to, you know, go on this journey with my husband and it's going to stretch us and it's going to grow us. My travel mishaps that you both know about last week, for example, you know, on the one hand, my husband helped me deal with. It was a turned into a 24 hour travel day. That was supposed to be just a short one, but he's on the you know my secure attachment figures on the phone finding me a hotel room that I ended up not being able to use because there was no power. But you know, also, we're. It's like a new opportunity to get to know each other as a couple, like, oh, what's your comfort zone and when do you start to get cold feet? And you know I'm having to work with him also on setting his own boundaries at work. Right, they have one of those um, they're actually evil unlimited time off policies. Have you heard of these unlimited time off? The research shows people take less less time.

Liliana:

Yeah, I can see it.

Allison:

Yeah, I think we're, we're a living proof. So he, you know he's having to work on his own emotions, his own anxieties about what will they think and is it too much? And you know, am I going to get in trouble, even though you know he's been at his company forever and ever and ever, and he's, you know, everyone knows him and highly regards him and he's fine, but nonetheless, I think it's that knee jerk like, can I do?

Maria:

it. Well, because it's not the norm right, it's not the typical, it's not the box right, it's not the expectation of a nine to five be at the office. I was actually just doing consultation with someone who left the job during the COVID. When COVID, you know, everyone was returning to the office and they were told you need to come to the office. So she returned to the office and her computer didn't work, like her office computer didn't work. So she was like, well, I'm going to go home then and I can do my work from home. And they're like no, you're in the office, you need to sit here. And she sat there for six hours with a non workingworking computer because she couldn't go home.

Maria:

And she immediately went home and started looking for a new job Right, because I think that's one of the messages is that you know, some of the things that came out of the pandemic were the flexibility and telehealth and the importance of taking care of the practitioner themselves. Telehealth is an option for the majority and then we can't speak for all states, but for the majority of states it's a protected measure. Because of the pandemic it became really ingrained that we don't need to stop taking advantage of that. You can work just as effectively from Palm Springs as you can from your office at Denver as you can from your you know living room. If you have to right Like. We've learned that and that's a skill we have, that I think you're asking people to celebrate it and highlight it and lean into it.

Liliana:

And then also right, like the invitation for agencies to consult with you in regards to what you know on your own experience and what you're learning from your husband. Yes, right, like in how we can help agencies treat their employees or contractor as humans. Yeah, right, because we want to invest in them so that they can keep giving us. Yeah, versus utilizing them, like the example that Maria just used. Where people are like I'm out, I can be replaced any given second. I'm not appreciated for my gift.

Allison:

Yeah.

Liliana:

And therefore, what's the point when we go back to? If there's anything I can do, is this what I want to be doing?

Allison:

Yeah, yeah, one of the things I'm really proud of as a small business owner and a group counseling practice owner is that we do have a paid time off policy, which is I mean, that's me I created that Allison decided I wanted to be able to give this to the employees that I work with so that they could enjoy some time off and not have to worry so much about the and you know like that's a big deal as a small business owner. I was going to say fuck this.

Liliana:

How many of our listeners are going to be calling like Alison, like do you have job openings?

Maria:

Absolutely, or feel empowered to go to their practice owner and go hey, I want you to listen to this episode. I want to talk about some of these options because I don't want to go into burnout, I don't, you know. And if we can, as group practice owners, we can talk about this for a minute, like if we can set up a system that supports that, like that's burnout prevention, right, when we're, when we're supporting wellness and wholeness of the people who are working with us, right? Like I think that that's so important when we do big celebrations. I couldn't decide what.

Maria:

You know, everyone's gift is different, right, but for some, traveling is their self-care right, but for some, traveling is their self care right and so being able to support that and maybe you know, and then link them with you, like you know, they've got the time and they've got some funds. Like how do you stretch that to, to, to really put the value in, um, so that it's, it's rejuvenating.

Allison:

Well, yeah, and I, I mean, my eyes have just been opened so wide to the world of affordable travel using travel hacking. Yeah, I don't think I mentioned the detail that these two trips to Europe and back again, we paid for those all in points. Yeah, so they're basically free. I mean, there is, of course, there's costs of travel and, as you named, liliana, it's important to recognize even the privilege within that. Even though you're only paying taxes on something, it's still a cost. And, of course, once you get there, there, you know you're going to want to go and do and see and eat, want to go and do and see and eat.

Allison:

So all of those things you know are definitely important to recognize the privilege inherent in being able to do that. And also, you know, if you compare that the cash cost versus using points and maybe even layering in a free home exchange, the amount of just really high quality, amazing travel that you can do can just grow exponentially. You know just a few highlights from my home exchanging experiences. I am in the fall. In November, this past November, I got to go to a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful beach house in the panhandle of Florida with my college girlfriends. It was a six bedroom suite house.

Allison:

So each of us had our own bedroom and our own bathroom, right on the beach, and it was warm, so amazing.

Liliana:

By the way, maria, I follow Alison on Instagram and, like when I see her picture, I was like God damn it. That's the life that I want to try for.

Maria:

Well, I think that's the message. Right Like do it now.

Liliana:

Yeah.

Maria:

Do it now. Yeah, do it now. You know, learn from Allison, do your research, stand up, put those boundaries down with work if you need to find a place that that supports you in this way, but do it now, don't wait. That idea that there's a time where we get to stop working and just live in a retirement world that's a that's a fantasy. That's a time where we get to stop working and just live in a retirement world that's a fantasy. That's a false fantasy. I don't even want it. I want it now, right, like I want to live that life now when I enjoy it.

Liliana:

Right Like there's so many stories, not only your dad I had an aunt who, like, was always saving money and unfortunately she passed away, something that we did not expect, it All the signs, so, like everything that she's safe. She didn't get to enjoy, right Like Maria and I talk about and we're very vocal about our medical issues and we cannot just travel just because, like, we need to plan around doctor's appointments and all these things now to travel. So it's different. But the idea of and how many memes have we seen online of people like traveling to europe and then falling asleep, um, because they couldn't, they didn't have this anymore in order to enjoy discussing.

Liliana:

So the idea is can we let go of the fantasy that it was back um? You know, I was trying to remember if it was the industrialized um era where we were thought like if you're loyal and if you work hard enough, you have job security and then you will have the rolex watch yeah yeah, as the proof that you work really hard, that you earn and then you can retire.

Liliana:

Those times don't exist anymore. We're living longer. We don't have loyalty anywhere in regards to job security. The world is evolving so fast that can we change the mindset and can we enjoy today Exactly, and I think even you know the idea.

Allison:

I can talk a big game. So this is this is definitely Allison's work still, still to be worked. I can talk a big game about, like someday retirement and I want to go and do, and also I have anxiety about it too, because what am I going to do with myself? Like I'm not a good sitter around her and also I'm a huge extrovert. I'm like two E, two X, two times extroversion. So I, you know, I can't go and be in places where I don't know anyone other than my husband, much as I love him and much as he is my favorite companion. You know I have, I have needs, um, so I really am enjoying the idea of, like, how can I get creative? So it's not just like work mode and vacation mode.

Allison:

That's where experimenting with, like, oh, what's it feel like to go to Palm Springs for a month and we're going to have my mom come with me for part of it and we're going to maybe have some friends come and visit. And you know, um, if we go somewhere tropical and warm, you know we can work our normal jobs during the day. Both of us have the ability to work remotely, which is wonderful and amazing. And also, you know, at five o'clock we can go take a walk on a beach somewhere. Yeah, for a few weeks we can do that, and our weekends can be all about going to exploring here and there. You know, I also think to your point, liliana, about like. You know, I also think to your point, liliana, about like, what do we have the energy for in travel? I think that that travel hacking, particularly home exchanging, kind of flips that on its head and it is way more amenable to a slow travel.

Liliana:

Yeah.

Allison:

If you've heard that phrase before. Like slow travel, I even use chat TPT to help me plan my trip to Portugal this fall, as you do, and I was like, give me the slow travel itinerary. I don't want to do more than one thing a day. Yeah, I want to incorporate some yoga or hike. I want to go to a top restaurant, like you know, once a week or something like that. It doesn't have to be. You know this idea that, okay, we're going to Portugal and I'm going to die if I don't see all the things.

Liliana:

And then I'm going to come back, so Right, absolutely.

Maria:

That's when we hear those people come back to me the vacation from their vacation because they, they, they overbooked, they tried to cram it all in and if you're not enjoying that, there are other options.

Liliana:

Yeah, I love that in all of this right is the idea which the three of us for all of you listeners, that three of us are like, smiling ear to ear, energized. We're like wait what? Consultation with Allison, but the idea of like, and in all of this we're naming our field burnout how people are living. I love that. In your agency, as you supervise, you ask the question what are the boundaries that need to be in place? Because, as a human, you cannot be on call 24-7. Yeah, none of us should. And therefore like can we? How do we model those boundaries to your clients so that your clients can benefit from those boundaries as well? Like, it's everything that you're discussing today that is so beautiful and I truly need our colleagues need to hear this.

Allison:

Thank you, thank this, thank you, thank you.

Maria:

Thank you. Thank you for thinking outside of the box. And you know, I think it's individuals like you, who problem solve, who look at the box and go yeah, I can do that differently. Let me figure out a way that fits better. I mean, this sounds less stressful. This home exchange is like it's. It's almost like you have to say no to the vacation instead of having to say yes and taking the plan right Like it's. You have you flipped it on its head. It's like the vacation is there, it's asking you and you have to tell it no, and I think that's a much harder, much harder thing to say no to, right, yeah, then, oh well, I don't know if I can take the time and, uh, you know I have to rearrange my schedule. Yes and yeah, and you can do it today, you can do it right now, yeah, yeah.

Maria:

I love it.

Liliana:

I feel like I keep going on and on and I am mindful um of time, um, and so I'm thinking we're gonna have to invite Maria Wright Allison back.

Maria:

Oh, I'd love to. I was going to warn her before we started recording. I was like you know, this is one of a few right.

Liliana:

But in the meantime, for all of you who are listening and are so energized and curious about, we're going to include Allison's information so that you can reach out, pay for her time, do not be asking for anything. She deserves to be paid. Remember boundaries. We're modeling and we're naming it so that you can call for a consultation, either because you're a therapist thinking outside the box or because you take this to your agency and you're like can we think about ways of implementing this? Because I think it will benefit all of us, for me being energized, for us right to be asking if we can do anything, what we want to be doing and I was going to ask, allison, if you have one thing, one takeaway, maybe one question to pose to those.

Allison:

Ask yourself if there is one thing that I could be doing with myself and my gifts and my mental space and the energy and the hours that I have in a day. What am I daydreaming about? What am I talking about in my spare time, what am I Googling? And listen to that, listen to that inner wisdom, because it really is.

Liliana:

It's not only a source of joy, but I think it's a source of burnout prevention. To listen to that, yeah, I'm so glad I have.

Maria:

We're so glad you did and you're sharing with us, so thank you for sharing that today. Thank you, allison. Until next time, guys. Okay, have a great day, you two.

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Liliana Baylon, LMFT-S, RPT-S

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Maria Laquerre-Diego, LMFT-S, RPT-S

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Allison Rimland

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